marilyn tavener testifies tomorrow and health and human services secretary, kathleen sebelius, you see her there, she goes in front of the senate finance committee on wednesday. they were just up on the hill last week on the house side, karen. this is probably ease -- these hearings probably aren't going to stop. there are a number of committees looking into this. >> do you think the obama administration can use obama care at some point to become a public -- a positive public relations exercise? >> well, it just depends. they really need to get a lot of people in. if you start getting people in who can find insurance and they feel good about the affordability of it, certainly then that becomes a testament, but at the moment they really have really big hurdles to overcome with this main way for people to sign up in some 36 states. just yesterday on the sunday shows obama administration was kind of, you know, talking down some expectations on enrollment numbers. one of the white house advisors yesterday saying i can promise you the numbers are going to be low when they finally do start r